🎙️ From Human Doings to Human Beings Radical Love at Middle Church
the roots of change podcast with Rev. Natalie Perkins and Rev. Jillian Langford
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🎙️ From Human Doings to Human Beings Radical Love at Middle Church
The pope and the president are fighting and no that's not a punchline for a dad joke. We celebrate Easter the way the radical organizer, Jesus, would want, by talking about community and radical love! I sit down with two of my pastors from Middle Church, Rev. Natalie Perkins and Jillian Langford, to discuss Jesus, the rise of Christian Nationalism, and how Middle Church is building a community that's moving for change. Jillian is no longer with Middle Church, but you can find their lessons on Instagram. This was originally recorded on August 19, 2025 as part of our ongoing Road Trippin' for Change series.
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In the Episode
- Jesus Teachings vs. Christian Nationalism
- How a church fire transformed Middle Church
- Church as love and community
- The complexity of Christianity in the U.S.
- The spiritual work of becoming human beings, not human doings
- Church as movement organizing
- The intersection of history and religion
- Using religion and spirituality to move through the rise of Christian Nationalism
- Octavia Butler's God is Change
Media, Resources, & News
- Middle Church
- Fierce Love by Rev. Dr. Jacqui Lewis
- 🎙️ New York Organizing for Our Future Today with Chris Torres
- Ubunutu & Other Lessons from Black Liberation
- The Will to Change by bell hooks
- Freedom Rising Conference
- Nazis & Hegseth: Christian Nationalism Rhythms
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